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croikOh fuck, I finished the case.
AND IT JUST KEEPS GETTING MORE BIZARRE BY THE MINTUE!!!
Their logic just makes no sense all around to me.
So it gets near the end and Ema's sketch is presented. And despite being a very simple drawing with no discernable features, Phoenix objects to how she drew the knife. She drew a box. How that's identifiable as a broken knife is beyond me, especially as "evidence" in court. It's not just lacking a point, it's lacking all discerning marks entirely! But that's not the important thing, I guess.
Though really, why was Neil running around with the trophy anyway? Did he leave it in Gant's office when they went to question Darke? The halberd is never found, so there's no way to prove it was used in any way. In the end it kind of turned out to be not important evidence anyway, because...it was never actually stabbed into anyone, was it? Lana found Neil on the armor, and she and Gant put him on the floor and stabbed him with Darke's knife. So why was the halberd ever important in the first place?
But anyway, even accepting that the crude rectangle Ema drew is actually the halberd, Edgeworth then claims that that would make the standing person in Ema's drawing Neil. But you can't prove that, either - the two men were fighting. It's easily possible that Darke yanked the halberd from him. At that point the lights were off until a brief flash of lightning, after all. So "this person has a weapon" is no evidence at all.
Which reminds me, how in the hell did they allow Darke to come in and be questioned when he was carrying a switchblade on him? Voluntary or not, shouldn't he have been searched?? Makes no sense that Darke, a businessman, was able to get past ZEUS DETECTIVE but oh well, Gant was sloppy in a lot of ways that day.
Anyway, back to the faulty logic of the picture, Ema then confesses to having pushed Neil. Her push must have thrown him into the wall, knocking the crazy jar off its shelf and getting himself stabbed on a suit of armor. Except that Ema's picture shows the jar flying through the air while the two men are fighting - before any pushing has taken place. Ema couldn't have seen the jar from that angle until after pushing Neil, and if that's the case, her entire picture is faulty to begin with.
Not to mention that the fact that Ema pushed Neil, even if it was in the direction of the jar, still doesn't prove she pushed him onto the armor. Not even the cloth with her fingerprints proves that. There's no evidence that proves the angle she pushed him towards. They can't even prove that the armor killed Neil until Lana's picture surfaces, because that armor had been moved at the scene and bore no blood on it. They didn't even bother to get a measurement of the spear to see if it matched Neil's wound.
If the jar is represented imporperly in Ema's picture, than they can't prove which direction Ema pushed Neil (or even where he was when he was pushed) and therefore how could they hope to prove he fell perfectly onto a spear? (This was all long before Lana's crime scene photo).
BUT THEN IT GETS BETTER. Edgeworth then comes up with the bang-up theory that Neil left them a message in his dying moments. Never mind that if any normal person was impaled, they would probably spend their dying moments trying to escape from being impaled. Never mind that Neil would have no reason to want to blame Ema, if he was clear-minded enough to want to leave any message. But of course, Phoenix presents the jar, and there is the name! Except that they already said that the jar was tipped from the shelf and that's how Ema was able to see it from such a strange angle in the first place: if it wasn't on the shelf and Neil was impaled, there's no way he even could have reached it.
But never mind that!
Then Lana comes on the scene. Lana testifies that the moment she came on to the scene, she suspected that Ema had done it. Except, she never tells us why. Ema and Darke were both unconscious - why would she assume Ema, rather than Darke, had pushed Neil onto the spear? Being a top detective (with a pen light!) shouldn't she have noticed the huge hole in Neil's vest, and the blood that flowed without interruption onto his shirt? She had seen him less than a few hours earlier, when his vest was intact. Didn't she find it odd at all?
By then, Gant had already doctored the scene. If Lana never saw the jar with Ema's name on it, and never knew that Ema's fingerprints were on the cloth, and Ema herself didn't even remember pushing Neil, or that it had been Neil... why was Lana instantly convinced that Ema did it? Gant kept her under his thumb for two years using evidence she didn't know existed (evidence that wasn't conclusive anyway). So how was he threatening her at all?
I think only Sil can unravel this B:
AND THEN GANT TAKES THE STAND.
The real clincher that gets Gant is that Phoenix proves what Gant's ID number is, by relating it to his safe. Now, there's no indication that all detectives each have a safe that is opened using their ID number (that would be ridiculous anyway) so why is it that Gant's safe number being *anything* can be used as any kind of evidence? Maybe 7 is just a lucky number. More importantly, why didn't Gant just bluff him and say "That's not the combination to my safe." Phoenix couldn't have proved him wrong at that moment. Gumshoe and Ema would vouch for him, maybe, but both of them have motivation to lie. So why didn't Gant just say "No" and be done with it?
BUT ANYWAY, all that crap aside, I finished the case.
And I've decided that I don't really like Gant. I like his mannerism and his design and his jolliness, but he sucks. In fact, the writers kind of try to do by the end of the case that they did for Edgeworth: making him appear better than he seems. After his startling breakdown he suddenly shapes up and is calm all over again, as if he doesn't really care. He even apologizes to Edgeworth for damaging his car. He just spent the entire day before trying to make Edgeworth look bad in every way possible! He killed a trusted and rewarded colleague to get a position he was already going to get. He didn't just flip like Karma and kill someone he already hated in a fit of rage. He picked up an unconscious man (a comrade he had no grudge against, as far as we know) and impaled him on a piece of armor for very little reward. Anything he has to say about "we were just trying to get a murderer guilty" means nothing by that point :\
I mean, some PW villains have crappy motivation. Some don't seem to have any. But nothing Gant set out to do would have worked if not for everyone else in the game being a complete and utter moron. Lana made a faulty assumption right off the bat when she found Neil. No one in the police or among the proseuctors were willing to question him about the evidence list being weird when they took down Darke. And then Gant killed Goodman in a panic in the evidence room, and dragged his bleeding corpse out of a police station, and into a parking lot, where he damaged Edgeworth's car, all without being spotted by anyone. Not a single person. People say it's because of the ceremony, but would the police department be completely soulless? He lucked out that Jake wasn't in the security room for the evidence room, but how is it that the prosecutor's office has security-monitored parking, but the police station doesn't of any kind? Not even for its employees?
Gant even blackmailed Lana out loud in open court. He said "watch what you say or your sister goes to jail." But no one calls him on THAT, either? It's just... practically inconceivable that he was able to pull off ANY of it.
Okay, not more insane than Karma being prepared enough to retrain a talking parrot. But still...!
And then, the end...!!
Every time 1-5 comes up on CR, there's always someone who pops in to say, "At least 1-5 made it make more sense when Edgeworth left!" And it makes me want to THROTTLE THEM because the fact that Edgeworth fled his life without any advance warning or explanation is HALF THE POINT. If you're playing the GBA versions, the game stops after Karma. Edgeworth has been saved - everything is supposed to have been fine. And then you get to JFA and realize it's not. Edgeworth is gone, and Phoenix feels betrayed. After everything Phoenix did to help Edgeworth, he left anyway. Phoenix spends the whole game being moody and upset because of that.
But 1-5 gives it way too much explanation. Edgeworth was almost fired like 20 times in that case - everyone makes it very clear that the police hate him, other prosecutors hate him, and public opinion is against him. Most people would quit under those circumstances, or at least relocate. It makes sense to say that Phoenix was upset about Edgeworth quitting when he didn't have to. But how could even Phoenix expect Edgeworth to continue in that same office after everything that happened?
Sure the "suicide" note is too much no matter how you cut it, but I think it's more meaningful that Edgeworth leaves because of only Phoenix, rather than him being half-forced to quit because of circumstances out of his control.
In short, I liked it better when Edgeworth's decision to leave was 100% voluntary. Everything *could* have been fine if he stayed and started over, but he chose to run. It makes his departure so much more like a betrayal, and so much more of a shock. Setting up for 2-4, best case ever :D
OMG tl;dr I should stop.
Uhhh... in short I like 1-5's characters except for Gant (except when he's getting emotionally seme'd by Karma in erotic fiction 8D), but the case makes no sense and Edgeworth is better off when he's not being used for blatant fanservice. Poor thing :(
AND IT JUST KEEPS GETTING MORE BIZARRE BY THE MINTUE!!!
Their logic just makes no sense all around to me.
So it gets near the end and Ema's sketch is presented. And despite being a very simple drawing with no discernable features, Phoenix objects to how she drew the knife. She drew a box. How that's identifiable as a broken knife is beyond me, especially as "evidence" in court. It's not just lacking a point, it's lacking all discerning marks entirely! But that's not the important thing, I guess.
Though really, why was Neil running around with the trophy anyway? Did he leave it in Gant's office when they went to question Darke? The halberd is never found, so there's no way to prove it was used in any way. In the end it kind of turned out to be not important evidence anyway, because...it was never actually stabbed into anyone, was it? Lana found Neil on the armor, and she and Gant put him on the floor and stabbed him with Darke's knife. So why was the halberd ever important in the first place?
But anyway, even accepting that the crude rectangle Ema drew is actually the halberd, Edgeworth then claims that that would make the standing person in Ema's drawing Neil. But you can't prove that, either - the two men were fighting. It's easily possible that Darke yanked the halberd from him. At that point the lights were off until a brief flash of lightning, after all. So "this person has a weapon" is no evidence at all.
Which reminds me, how in the hell did they allow Darke to come in and be questioned when he was carrying a switchblade on him? Voluntary or not, shouldn't he have been searched?? Makes no sense that Darke, a businessman, was able to get past ZEUS DETECTIVE but oh well, Gant was sloppy in a lot of ways that day.
Anyway, back to the faulty logic of the picture, Ema then confesses to having pushed Neil. Her push must have thrown him into the wall, knocking the crazy jar off its shelf and getting himself stabbed on a suit of armor. Except that Ema's picture shows the jar flying through the air while the two men are fighting - before any pushing has taken place. Ema couldn't have seen the jar from that angle until after pushing Neil, and if that's the case, her entire picture is faulty to begin with.
Not to mention that the fact that Ema pushed Neil, even if it was in the direction of the jar, still doesn't prove she pushed him onto the armor. Not even the cloth with her fingerprints proves that. There's no evidence that proves the angle she pushed him towards. They can't even prove that the armor killed Neil until Lana's picture surfaces, because that armor had been moved at the scene and bore no blood on it. They didn't even bother to get a measurement of the spear to see if it matched Neil's wound.
If the jar is represented imporperly in Ema's picture, than they can't prove which direction Ema pushed Neil (or even where he was when he was pushed) and therefore how could they hope to prove he fell perfectly onto a spear? (This was all long before Lana's crime scene photo).
BUT THEN IT GETS BETTER. Edgeworth then comes up with the bang-up theory that Neil left them a message in his dying moments. Never mind that if any normal person was impaled, they would probably spend their dying moments trying to escape from being impaled. Never mind that Neil would have no reason to want to blame Ema, if he was clear-minded enough to want to leave any message. But of course, Phoenix presents the jar, and there is the name! Except that they already said that the jar was tipped from the shelf and that's how Ema was able to see it from such a strange angle in the first place: if it wasn't on the shelf and Neil was impaled, there's no way he even could have reached it.
But never mind that!
Then Lana comes on the scene. Lana testifies that the moment she came on to the scene, she suspected that Ema had done it. Except, she never tells us why. Ema and Darke were both unconscious - why would she assume Ema, rather than Darke, had pushed Neil onto the spear? Being a top detective (with a pen light!) shouldn't she have noticed the huge hole in Neil's vest, and the blood that flowed without interruption onto his shirt? She had seen him less than a few hours earlier, when his vest was intact. Didn't she find it odd at all?
By then, Gant had already doctored the scene. If Lana never saw the jar with Ema's name on it, and never knew that Ema's fingerprints were on the cloth, and Ema herself didn't even remember pushing Neil, or that it had been Neil... why was Lana instantly convinced that Ema did it? Gant kept her under his thumb for two years using evidence she didn't know existed (evidence that wasn't conclusive anyway). So how was he threatening her at all?
I think only Sil can unravel this B:
AND THEN GANT TAKES THE STAND.
The real clincher that gets Gant is that Phoenix proves what Gant's ID number is, by relating it to his safe. Now, there's no indication that all detectives each have a safe that is opened using their ID number (that would be ridiculous anyway) so why is it that Gant's safe number being *anything* can be used as any kind of evidence? Maybe 7 is just a lucky number. More importantly, why didn't Gant just bluff him and say "That's not the combination to my safe." Phoenix couldn't have proved him wrong at that moment. Gumshoe and Ema would vouch for him, maybe, but both of them have motivation to lie. So why didn't Gant just say "No" and be done with it?
BUT ANYWAY, all that crap aside, I finished the case.
And I've decided that I don't really like Gant. I like his mannerism and his design and his jolliness, but he sucks. In fact, the writers kind of try to do by the end of the case that they did for Edgeworth: making him appear better than he seems. After his startling breakdown he suddenly shapes up and is calm all over again, as if he doesn't really care. He even apologizes to Edgeworth for damaging his car. He just spent the entire day before trying to make Edgeworth look bad in every way possible! He killed a trusted and rewarded colleague to get a position he was already going to get. He didn't just flip like Karma and kill someone he already hated in a fit of rage. He picked up an unconscious man (a comrade he had no grudge against, as far as we know) and impaled him on a piece of armor for very little reward. Anything he has to say about "we were just trying to get a murderer guilty" means nothing by that point :\
I mean, some PW villains have crappy motivation. Some don't seem to have any. But nothing Gant set out to do would have worked if not for everyone else in the game being a complete and utter moron. Lana made a faulty assumption right off the bat when she found Neil. No one in the police or among the proseuctors were willing to question him about the evidence list being weird when they took down Darke. And then Gant killed Goodman in a panic in the evidence room, and dragged his bleeding corpse out of a police station, and into a parking lot, where he damaged Edgeworth's car, all without being spotted by anyone. Not a single person. People say it's because of the ceremony, but would the police department be completely soulless? He lucked out that Jake wasn't in the security room for the evidence room, but how is it that the prosecutor's office has security-monitored parking, but the police station doesn't of any kind? Not even for its employees?
Gant even blackmailed Lana out loud in open court. He said "watch what you say or your sister goes to jail." But no one calls him on THAT, either? It's just... practically inconceivable that he was able to pull off ANY of it.
Okay, not more insane than Karma being prepared enough to retrain a talking parrot. But still...!
And then, the end...!!
Every time 1-5 comes up on CR, there's always someone who pops in to say, "At least 1-5 made it make more sense when Edgeworth left!" And it makes me want to THROTTLE THEM because the fact that Edgeworth fled his life without any advance warning or explanation is HALF THE POINT. If you're playing the GBA versions, the game stops after Karma. Edgeworth has been saved - everything is supposed to have been fine. And then you get to JFA and realize it's not. Edgeworth is gone, and Phoenix feels betrayed. After everything Phoenix did to help Edgeworth, he left anyway. Phoenix spends the whole game being moody and upset because of that.
But 1-5 gives it way too much explanation. Edgeworth was almost fired like 20 times in that case - everyone makes it very clear that the police hate him, other prosecutors hate him, and public opinion is against him. Most people would quit under those circumstances, or at least relocate. It makes sense to say that Phoenix was upset about Edgeworth quitting when he didn't have to. But how could even Phoenix expect Edgeworth to continue in that same office after everything that happened?
Sure the "suicide" note is too much no matter how you cut it, but I think it's more meaningful that Edgeworth leaves because of only Phoenix, rather than him being half-forced to quit because of circumstances out of his control.
In short, I liked it better when Edgeworth's decision to leave was 100% voluntary. Everything *could* have been fine if he stayed and started over, but he chose to run. It makes his departure so much more like a betrayal, and so much more of a shock. Setting up for 2-4, best case ever :D
OMG tl;dr I should stop.
Uhhh... in short I like 1-5's characters except for Gant (except when he's getting emotionally seme'd by Karma in erotic fiction 8D), but the case makes no sense and Edgeworth is better off when he's not being used for blatant fanservice. Poor thing :(
