Countdown Post - Recipe For Turnabout
Feb. 15th, 2008 11:24 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
croikI think the countdown is finally starting to get to me. While playing 3-3 today I was suddenly like, "GodDAMNIT more Phoenix Wright...!!!" But...I'm almost there...!
Before talking about 3-3 there was one thing I meant to mention about 3-2 that I noticed, but forgot to write about: the portrayal of Larry seemed different in this case. In the first game Larry is a nusiance, but Phoenix still describes him as one of his best friends, who he trusts completely. By 3-2 he's been reduced to "I wouldn't call him a close friend." Made me kinda sad that Phoenix's patience for him suddenly ran out at some point.
BUT ANYWAY, 3-3~
3-3 is one of those cases that I kind of like, and kind of really don't like. I like that Maggey came back because it's nice to see characters carry over, especially since they tried to link her and Gumshoe more. Her attitude was pretty sour, but I guess I don't blame her.
Though, no matter how cute Gumshoe/Maggey is, I don't think I can ever honestly ship them, just because the size difference between them makes it weird picturing them together. B:
The side characters in this one aren't too bad. I'm kind of indifferent to Armstrong, Kudo, and Lisa, but at least they're not annoying. Not all that interesting, but not annoying.
I think the highlight of the case has to be Tigre <333. I've always been a fan of him, though in all honestly I like him better speaking Kansai than Brooklyn. Of course, giving him a Brooklyn accent was the best choice - changing a kansai character is always tricky business, and in this case, I totally agree with the decision. But I still can't help but flop around having to read "YOUSE A WISE GUY EH!? BADA-BING!!" XDD;;;
That aside, I like Tigre. He's an idiot, but okay, every once in a while I go for the muscles! And to be honest, I always felt more sympathy for him than for Viola. Everyone always makes a big deal about poor Viola - how she had her poor heart broken realizing the man she loved doesn't love her. And to that I say...fuck that. The game does imply that the crash the two of them had was more Tigre's fault than hers, but it was still an accident - an accident that Tigre paid dearly for. It wasn't his fault that she happened to be a Cadaverini, and he had no choice but to look after her. His life was on the line if he upset her - a fact that Viola doesn't seem to dispute. But Viola, and especially Phoenix, treat it like Tigre betrayed her somehow.
Which is an attitude that shows up in romance stories I simply can't stand: that just because someone falls in love with character A, that means A has some obligation to love the person back. Everyone seems to agree that the pain of a person in love with someone who doesn't love them back trumps all sorts of circumstances. In the case of 3-3 especially I have no sympathy for Viola. She was selfish the entire time. She claims she likes Tigre because he cared about her for her, not becuase of her family, but she has no problem with him fawning over her. Whatever the reason, the truth remains that she wants a man to spoil her. If she's so desperate for attention that she accepts a simpering suck up in any form, she...needs to get out more. Go to goth clubs or something.
They also hint that Viola knew all along that Tigre was being nice to her out of fear of her grandfather. She knew he was desperate to pay back the money his life depended on. In that situation, even if she felt "hurt" by the fact that a man twice her age wasn't in love with her...why didn't she just ask her familiy to drop the issue? Did she honestly care for *him* at all, or did she only like him because he worshipped her? You'd think if any of her affection towards him was honest, she would have asked her grandfather to drop the amount and spare Tigre's life.
Obviously, Viola doesn't do that. She pretends not to know that Tigre is in fear for his life, because she enjoys the attention she gets from him. Tigre may have "deceived" her by being nicer than he normally would have, but she was *using* him. Her unwillingness to face the truth and try to resolve the issue put Glen in danger, too.
But of course, no one blames Viola, because the poor girl is heartbroken. Aww :(
This case also continues my hate for stupid Godot. I don't care what anyone says, he's a horrible prosecutor. The first day of trial, it turns out that every piece of testimony they receive (from Maggey and Kudo) contradicts the facts. Even Godot's own witness can't keep everything straight. Clearly, something weird was going on. After that day of the trial, Phoenix pounds the pavement and finds out all sorts of interesting things about Glen, Tigre, Viola, and Armstrong. The police department suffers a virus attack, and though even Gumshoe makes the connection that the "MC Bomber" CD Maggey talked about is the same as the virus, no one brings it to Godot's attention.
In all the time they have between day 1 and day 2, Godot...talks to Armstrong and gets a bogus story about a mirror. A mirror he couldn't prove was in the restaurant at the time of the murder, because it wasn't. A mirror that Phoenix disproved the very moment it was presented with a very simple contradiction. And that's all Godot had. Godot was able to call Tigre in pretty quickly, but he made it very clear he didn't know about half the things Phoenix was able to learn, just by hopping around town. He didn't even check out the one thing he did investigate very well: he just assumed all the witnesses were wrong and ignored any evidence that didn't seem right.
Way to go, prosecutor >:T
The game makes up for it, trying to make Godot look cool by tossing every wacky character imaginable at him, just so he can show how unaffected he is. But who gives a shit that Godot doesn't flinch before a giant roaring red person when he has no idea where the case was going? Not to mention, "Today I test whether or not you understand law" is meaningless when Phoenix has already beaten him. It's no better than Franziska shouting "THAT CASE DIDN'T COUNT" at the beginning of 2-3. Whatever, ya baby.
Though it doesn't help that the case takes a pretty ridiculous turn on the second day anyway. The idea that anyone, let alone a bruiser like Tigre would go through the trouble of faking an entire murder for the sake of one witness is pretty ridiculous to me. Seems to me it would have been easier to punch Glen in the face and make off with the CD, no murder involved. Or even if murder was necessary, some easier method of concealing it. The idea that so many people were tricked by Tigre in disguis is pretty silly.
Lastly, this is also a very important case in Phoenix's career, in so much as what Phoenix is willing to do in order to free his client: apparently, "Lying in open court" is on his list. Playing a bluff is one thing, but telling Tigre outright, "Your fingerprints are on the bottle with the poison in it," is a complete lie. So, as far as Phoenix is concerned, it's all right to lie about evidence if you're right. An important one to know.
So... even though I really like Tigre, and I like the circumstances leading up to the crime... the side characters are kind of a throwaway to me, and the coverup of the crime boarders on ridiculous. Not as bad as Gant dragging dead bodies through police headquarters, but a little unreasonable.
Before talking about 3-3 there was one thing I meant to mention about 3-2 that I noticed, but forgot to write about: the portrayal of Larry seemed different in this case. In the first game Larry is a nusiance, but Phoenix still describes him as one of his best friends, who he trusts completely. By 3-2 he's been reduced to "I wouldn't call him a close friend." Made me kinda sad that Phoenix's patience for him suddenly ran out at some point.
BUT ANYWAY, 3-3~
3-3 is one of those cases that I kind of like, and kind of really don't like. I like that Maggey came back because it's nice to see characters carry over, especially since they tried to link her and Gumshoe more. Her attitude was pretty sour, but I guess I don't blame her.
Though, no matter how cute Gumshoe/Maggey is, I don't think I can ever honestly ship them, just because the size difference between them makes it weird picturing them together. B:
The side characters in this one aren't too bad. I'm kind of indifferent to Armstrong, Kudo, and Lisa, but at least they're not annoying. Not all that interesting, but not annoying.
I think the highlight of the case has to be Tigre <333. I've always been a fan of him, though in all honestly I like him better speaking Kansai than Brooklyn. Of course, giving him a Brooklyn accent was the best choice - changing a kansai character is always tricky business, and in this case, I totally agree with the decision. But I still can't help but flop around having to read "YOUSE A WISE GUY EH!? BADA-BING!!" XDD;;;
That aside, I like Tigre. He's an idiot, but okay, every once in a while I go for the muscles! And to be honest, I always felt more sympathy for him than for Viola. Everyone always makes a big deal about poor Viola - how she had her poor heart broken realizing the man she loved doesn't love her. And to that I say...fuck that. The game does imply that the crash the two of them had was more Tigre's fault than hers, but it was still an accident - an accident that Tigre paid dearly for. It wasn't his fault that she happened to be a Cadaverini, and he had no choice but to look after her. His life was on the line if he upset her - a fact that Viola doesn't seem to dispute. But Viola, and especially Phoenix, treat it like Tigre betrayed her somehow.
Which is an attitude that shows up in romance stories I simply can't stand: that just because someone falls in love with character A, that means A has some obligation to love the person back. Everyone seems to agree that the pain of a person in love with someone who doesn't love them back trumps all sorts of circumstances. In the case of 3-3 especially I have no sympathy for Viola. She was selfish the entire time. She claims she likes Tigre because he cared about her for her, not becuase of her family, but she has no problem with him fawning over her. Whatever the reason, the truth remains that she wants a man to spoil her. If she's so desperate for attention that she accepts a simpering suck up in any form, she...needs to get out more. Go to goth clubs or something.
They also hint that Viola knew all along that Tigre was being nice to her out of fear of her grandfather. She knew he was desperate to pay back the money his life depended on. In that situation, even if she felt "hurt" by the fact that a man twice her age wasn't in love with her...why didn't she just ask her familiy to drop the issue? Did she honestly care for *him* at all, or did she only like him because he worshipped her? You'd think if any of her affection towards him was honest, she would have asked her grandfather to drop the amount and spare Tigre's life.
Obviously, Viola doesn't do that. She pretends not to know that Tigre is in fear for his life, because she enjoys the attention she gets from him. Tigre may have "deceived" her by being nicer than he normally would have, but she was *using* him. Her unwillingness to face the truth and try to resolve the issue put Glen in danger, too.
But of course, no one blames Viola, because the poor girl is heartbroken. Aww :(
This case also continues my hate for stupid Godot. I don't care what anyone says, he's a horrible prosecutor. The first day of trial, it turns out that every piece of testimony they receive (from Maggey and Kudo) contradicts the facts. Even Godot's own witness can't keep everything straight. Clearly, something weird was going on. After that day of the trial, Phoenix pounds the pavement and finds out all sorts of interesting things about Glen, Tigre, Viola, and Armstrong. The police department suffers a virus attack, and though even Gumshoe makes the connection that the "MC Bomber" CD Maggey talked about is the same as the virus, no one brings it to Godot's attention.
In all the time they have between day 1 and day 2, Godot...talks to Armstrong and gets a bogus story about a mirror. A mirror he couldn't prove was in the restaurant at the time of the murder, because it wasn't. A mirror that Phoenix disproved the very moment it was presented with a very simple contradiction. And that's all Godot had. Godot was able to call Tigre in pretty quickly, but he made it very clear he didn't know about half the things Phoenix was able to learn, just by hopping around town. He didn't even check out the one thing he did investigate very well: he just assumed all the witnesses were wrong and ignored any evidence that didn't seem right.
Way to go, prosecutor >:T
The game makes up for it, trying to make Godot look cool by tossing every wacky character imaginable at him, just so he can show how unaffected he is. But who gives a shit that Godot doesn't flinch before a giant roaring red person when he has no idea where the case was going? Not to mention, "Today I test whether or not you understand law" is meaningless when Phoenix has already beaten him. It's no better than Franziska shouting "THAT CASE DIDN'T COUNT" at the beginning of 2-3. Whatever, ya baby.
Though it doesn't help that the case takes a pretty ridiculous turn on the second day anyway. The idea that anyone, let alone a bruiser like Tigre would go through the trouble of faking an entire murder for the sake of one witness is pretty ridiculous to me. Seems to me it would have been easier to punch Glen in the face and make off with the CD, no murder involved. Or even if murder was necessary, some easier method of concealing it. The idea that so many people were tricked by Tigre in disguis is pretty silly.
Lastly, this is also a very important case in Phoenix's career, in so much as what Phoenix is willing to do in order to free his client: apparently, "Lying in open court" is on his list. Playing a bluff is one thing, but telling Tigre outright, "Your fingerprints are on the bottle with the poison in it," is a complete lie. So, as far as Phoenix is concerned, it's all right to lie about evidence if you're right. An important one to know.
So... even though I really like Tigre, and I like the circumstances leading up to the crime... the side characters are kind of a throwaway to me, and the coverup of the crime boarders on ridiculous. Not as bad as Gant dragging dead bodies through police headquarters, but a little unreasonable.
